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Dragon balls

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Sick to my stomach
« on: April 28, 2016, 08:58:06 PM »

I heard some very disturbing info the other day. I was told about people spearing spawning walleye in rapid river. This makes me sick that tribe members can go in the middle of the night and spear spawning walleye. I can't believe this is legal. What a great way to rob sportfish and ruin a great fisheries. I contacted my local DNR and explained what was going on and he told me that it was one of there treaty rights. So sad that are "new" generation of Indians have to be so ignorant!
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Re: Sick to my stomach
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2016, 10:12:55 AM »


slavery was legal when these treaties were agreed on. think about that
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2016, 02:53:48 PM »

So true!
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Re: Sick to my stomach
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2016, 08:09:30 AM »

Our Consitution states all men are created equall . I wonder why this doesn't apply here. Separate nation or appeasing another minority group
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Re: Sick to my stomach
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2016, 11:45:19 AM »

Our constitution states all men are created equal. Why doesn't it apply here. IMO minorities want to be considered equal but want extra whenever possible. Anybody should be able to net or spear or no one. Or I myself would agree to netting or spearing by 100 percent Indians only who are on subsistence status,not someone who is 1/16 indian  who works a good paying job. They should have to allow the fish to spawn no spearing netting during 15 March to 16 May or other times when other species spawn . I think this proposal would satisfy sportsman and the indian  community.
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Re: Sick to my stomach
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2016, 09:15:19 PM »

They will be the same people bitching when their are no walleye left. They are same people complaining their are no whitefish left because they netted all the spawning whitefish in the fall.
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Re: Sick to my stomach
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2016, 11:17:17 PM »

If they want to claim it's there heritage, and that they were granted rights under a treaty, they should have to use things that they used when the treaties were signed.  Everything should be handmade.  Carve your own spears, use birchbark canoes, and handmade nets. 
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Re: Sick to my stomach
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2016, 09:32:34 AM »

The Indian's special privileges are called the spoils of war. They won in court thus we are in the back of the bus. Get used to it, its a sign of the times.
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Re: Sick to my stomach
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2016, 10:12:11 AM »

I would make it a choice:
Casinos or netting fish
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Re: Sick to my stomach
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2016, 12:52:22 PM »

Well I have always said.... They spear the Walleye, net the Whitefish and lake Trout and build the casinos for the Suckers!!
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Re: Sick to my stomach
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2016, 02:34:55 PM »

I know that it hurts to see it happen but look at how many walleye the tribes plant in the UP. If they plant 3 million walleye and harvest a couple of thousand it is put and take the same as the rest of the fishing. I don't advocate spearing spawning walleye but if a subsistance fisherman takes 10 walleye to eat or a charter takes 30 walleye who is doing the most damage?
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Re: Sick to my stomach
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2016, 08:22:33 PM »

Come May 15th the Indians can set gill nets in Garden bay. Isn't that nice!
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Re: Sick to my stomach
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2016, 08:36:03 PM »

Steellebob I'm not able to buy your correlation between the guy literally shooting the fish in a barrel & the sportfishermen who employed a guide and caught 30 - that's the the issue - sportfishing vs subsistence harvesting as it existed 100 years ago by someone 1/10th or 1/50th  "native" whose been assimilated into the white man's society for the last 50 - 100 yrs.
Millcm has hit the bulls-eye - CASINOS!! If we sportsmen were ever smart enough to  mount a campaign to leverage our interests against their casinos in Mich. Mn.,& Wis. we would instill the fear of God in the tribe's financial advisers and, believe me, such a movement would get legs fast and support from everywhere. Gentlemen & women we've been "late to the dance" on this one  and it would be a "slam dunk" !!       
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Re: Sick to my stomach
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2016, 09:13:05 AM »

The Indian's special privileges are called the spoils of war. They won in court thus we are in the back of the bus. Get used to it, its a sign of the times.
The guys that say this should have to fish without electronics, Lunds, Mercury motors, downriggers, lead core and so on.
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Re: Sick to my stomach
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2016, 09:27:00 AM »

Steeliebob, you only added what subsistence fishers report...

You also left out the by-catch allotment from commercial gill nets and, to a lesser degree, walleye and perch "gilled" in trap net leads  As you may recall, this conduit was how the "subsistence fishers" employed in the Bays de Noc case. They were peddling their catch...selling it to commercial netters (Jensens) who sold it as their by-catch. Jensen's lost on appeal and then set a few thousand feet of gillnet in Lake Michigan prior going to jail. Several weeks later, MDNR personnel retrieved the nets, due to Tribal enforcement inaction.

Now, assume 2-5% or less of those planted walleye survive to adulthood...probably closer to 1%, since they were planted at fry stage.

During the appeal hearing in the Bay de Noc netters case. The judge panel asked a CORA biologist if they had ever recommended enforcement personnel follow-up on catch report discrepancies, eventually issuing some type of punitive action for those folks, subsistence or commercial caught in violation of Consent Decree and Tribal oversight accords.

His answer? No, he did not recall one instance were Tribal enforcement action was taken since CORA's inception in 2000...

FASCINATING!!

My neighbor just had an interesting interaction with the USCG while out fishing near the Huron Islands. He encountered a series of gill nets marked by wooden poles floating upright. By the time they recognized that these were attached to several gillnets, they were forced to haul their gear to get back to open water.  A bit later, they saw a USCG launch bearing down on them. They were signaled to allow USCG personnel to come alongside for a boat inspection. During the course of the conversation the issue of "nearly" unmarked gillnets being fished in waters where sport fishing traffic is routine came up. The USCG personnel's response: "We issue them tickets routinely. They simply tear them up!" No additional action is apparently taken by USCG senior officer personnel...

Now, lets throw-in the GLIFWC Tribal fishers caught selling thousands of pounds of non-target Great Lakes fish illegally into the commercial international fish market via a fish wholesaler in Wisconsin... Yes, I know, that is Treat of 1842 stuff, not Treaty of 1836 related violations....oddly, I notice one constant... it ain't the gear being used to harvest Great Lakes fish!!!

A wash? Hardly.


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